angelfruit
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AngelsOK. Here goes. I guess that you all probably know that I am "into" angels (name, right?). I don't know too much about it, all that I know is that on a couple of occasions when I have been in really bad situations (ie almost car crash) then there has been a tiny white feather underneath my handbag on the passenger seat of my car. I can't explain it, I don't try to understand it, all I know is that I believe it.
Hopefully there will be a true angel expert out there that knows a lot more than me. :study:
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mummymelly
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I've heard when you see a white feather, your angel is near you. Don't know much else though!
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dingsy
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How fascinating. I often feel the "presence" of something/someone, at differing times. I like to think it's my Mum now being my guardian angel (she died 20 years ago, aged only 50, from breast cancer). I don't know if I'm being over imaginative, but whatever it is, is a source of comfort and joy to me. At times I've felt that if I look around, she'll be there, as I feel her presence so powerfully. I still talk to her, and feel that she's snuggled on my shoulder- in some respects, the people we love dearly never really leave us, do they?
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angelfruit
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I know that if I am driving and am stuck behind a "doris" going way too slowly, or driving erratically etc then if I ask the driving angels to move them out of the way, they usually do. To the point where now, we ask them to move them if they're not too busy and then the girls all shout "thank you angels" once the offending vehicle has turned
We also have the wine cork angel, who will prevent the cork from breaking at the point of opening (as sometimes happens in haste!)
Seriously though - I figure God is too busy with the big stuff, but there are millions of angels. Some angels are here on earth - we see stories of wonderful things every day. Some angels are our personal angels (or guardian angels) who protect only us. The girls got very sad when a friend of mine had a miscarriage (they had already been told of the impending excitement by the friend). We decided to tell them about angel babies and now when they see the news about small children dying, it is less stressful for them, because they figure that the angel babies and other angels will take care of them all.
Love and hugs to all x
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patweb
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That all sounds lovely Dawn. Never really thought much about angels before, but will be looking out for them now. I'll have to look out for the wine cork angel.
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Guest
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Dawn, my friend always gets little feather's left for her and she is really 'into' this, her Angel has a name and she does talk to her as well... I do believe we've all got a guardian angel watching over us :)
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angelfruit
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| Tina40 wrote: | | Dawn, my friend always gets little feather's left for her and she is really 'into' this, her Angel has a name and she does talk to her as well... I do believe we've all got a guardian angel watching over us :) |
Thanks guys, I don't feel such a nut for sharing it now. A lot of mates think I am a bit loopy - so it reduces the inclination to talk about it.
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Guest
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I think theres something in it, I read up on it a bit.
I began having feathers appear when I was going through a bad patch and for some reason I believe my angel is my great grandma who died years and years before I was born.
When I was a little girl I had an "imgaginary friend" who was an old lady and apparently her description fitted my Mums granma.
Dingsy ....
My Mum also died of breast cancer 25 years ago when she was 53, I think of her almost every day but sadly I don't often feel her presence, although it could be her behind the feathers I didn't sense her.
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Guest
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Would you hate me if I tried to play devils advocate for a moment?
I can sympathise and empathise with those of you who seemed to have had a profoundly moving experience. I won't try to take that experience away from you, but what if you were to take that feather to an Ornithologist and she said it belonged to a pigeon or a seagull? Would that change you views?
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angelfruit
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| Paul2007 wrote: | Would you hate me if I tried to play devils advocate for a moment?
I can sympathise and empathise with those of you who seemed to have had a profoundly moving experience. I won't try to take that experience away from you, but what if you were to take that feather to an Ornithologist and she said it belonged to a pigeon or a seagull? Would that change you views? |
Hi Paul (love your avatar by the way) Does this mean that you will be the little monkey of our group?
Pigeon or a seagull? No - don't think it would. Have you never read "Jonathan Livingstone Seagull?!? One of the most uplifting reads ever as a teenager - very positive and encouraging. Love it. So no - who says seagulls can't be angels by a different guise? As long as they are there for those of us that hold faith in them I'm not bothered. At the end of the day I think there are more angels on earth maybe than in heaven.
However, o/h would disagree and say that I am talking sentimental tosh with rose-tinted glasses on again. Maybe I like to believe that people are inherently (sp?) good and we should trust people more. Maybe I/we will get burned - but think of the lost opportunities if we don't.
Love and to all.
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| angelfruit wrote: | | Paul2007 wrote: | Would you hate me if I tried to play devils advocate for a moment?
I can sympathise and empathise with those of you who seemed to have had a profoundly moving experience. I won't try to take that experience away from you, but what if you were to take that feather to an Ornithologist and she said it belonged to a pigeon or a seagull? Would that change you views? |
Hi Paul (love your avatar by the way) Does this mean that you will be the little monkey of our group?
Pigeon or a seagull? No - don't think it would. Have you never read "Jonathan Livingstone Seagull?!? One of the most uplifting reads ever as a teenager - very positive and encouraging. Love it. So no - who says seagulls can't be angels by a different guise? As long as they are there for those of us that hold faith in them I'm not bothered. At the end of the day I think there are more angels on earth maybe than in heaven.
However, o/h would disagree and say that I am talking sentimental tosh with rose-tinted glasses on again. Maybe I like to believe that people are inherently (sp?) good and we should trust people more. Maybe I/we will get burned - but think of the lost opportunities if we don't.
Love and to all. |
Not read that one I'm afraid.
I also believe, as you do, that we are innately good, altruistic and compassionate, but it is nurtured fear and lack of knowledge that causes us to distrust and become self-centred. Tackling fear is no easy feat, but tackling ignorance is easy considering we now live in a society where the world's knowledge is instantly accessible. So, I try to stick with 'Ockham's Razor' where the simplest theory is preferable and that an explanation for unknown phenomena should first be attempted in terms of what is already known. This principle gives me comfort and trust in myself, and keeps me more rational. I'm afraid I would have to agree with your o/h, but I adore your sentiments as I'm sure your o/h would.
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blueflower
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Until I started to hear about angels on here I hadn't given the subject much thought, especially guardian angels.
I was brought up in a Christian home when the bible was very important. Of course angels are often spoken off in the bible but more in the role of messengers rather than guardians. I have heard the term guardian angel used but didn't really give it any serious attention.
I think I am a bit of a fence sitter on this one. Emotional I would love to have someone guarding me and looking after me, but I can't help asking questions. When I have had a 'near do' on the road I have thought it was my driving skills that saved the day. But if it was a guarding angel, what happened to other peoples angels when the car crash actually happen and someone died or was seriously injured?
But I don't dismiss anything out of hand and I do beleive that for all the knowledge we have, humans are still in the infant stage and we have a lot to learn yet. And I am always intrested in things like this and like to explore the possiblities.
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Hecateh
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I'm very much with Blueflower on this.
But, like any other belief it affects our perceptions so if it works it works and if it makes a person view things differently it will work.
Any sort of belief system affects our perceptions and if it is one that
a) helps us see good in people
b) helps us accept that bad things sometimes happen to good people
c) enables us to appreciate the good things that happen in our life
and all the other things that enable us to feel joy and happiness at times in our lives then what does it matter what we call it; be it a belief in an organised religion, angels, gemstones or any other system. If it leads us to believe that our belief makes us better than someone else or in a postion to judge someone else then I don't think it serves any sort of higher purpose - but that is just my belief.
Funnily enough, I was thinking about this as I was driving down the road the other day and there was this really slow car in front of me. I followed Angelfruit's idea and asked the driving angels to move them out the way. And guess what - they turned right at the end of the road (only about 10 - 15% do that) out of my way. Does it prove anything - not at all, do I care nope. I'll try it again - it makes me laugh and even mind less about being held up and that can only be good.
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dingsy
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Digressing (slightly!!), from the topic. Like Gwen I think that mankind has only tapped a tiny part of the brain's potential-very much in the infant stage, as she said. I wonder if this too contributes to our experiences,and our attempt and desire to rationalize/explain them. Returning to my experience of feeling my Mum close at hand-logically I know that she's not, but the feeling of well being that these (rare) experiences give me is overpowering. Why therefore, bother to explain it-it comforts me to think that she is somehow there-so I quit while ahead, and accept the feelings with gratitude.No feathers, or anything, Paul-just an intensely strong feeling of being watched over (in a protective manner), lasting for several minutes.
I also seem to have an uncanny knack to be able to surprise people, with my sense of timing. A week rarely goes by without me phoning/emailing/contacting a friend /family member, only to be told "I was just about to phone you". It's such a regular occurence that I scarcely even mention it anymore. It's as well that I'm alive in this day and age: a few centuries ago I would have been accused of witchcraft
As Hec said-anything that helps us appreciate the good things that happen in life, can be a source of strength and comfort, even if it can't be explained.
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angelfruit
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Love and guys. Ditto everything that's been said.
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Guest
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I grew up as a Christian so I can understand many of the comments made here. I think there is no greater comfort than the truth. That's why they say, "the truth shall set you free". Invoking the supernatural may comfort you, and I respect your need for that warmth, but I think it is unlikely to be the truth. I'm pretty certain that the real truth will give us more comfort, make us feel safer, remove our ignorance and allow us to make better choices.
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blueflower
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| angelfruit wrote: | I know that if I am driving and am stuck behind a "doris" going way too slowly, or driving erratically etc then if I ask the driving angels to move them out of the way, they usually do. To the point where now, we ask them to move them if they're not too busy and then the girls all shout "thank you angels" once the offending vehicle has turned
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:qx1 Extract from the Angel Times :qx1
The case against Heaven plc for constructive dismissal opened today with Angel Gabriel stating the case for the prosecution.
It is alleged that the guardian angel assigned to the human Doris was forced to leave her job due to bullying and harassment by other guardian angels.
The bullying and harassment had been happening on at a low level up until the 20th of March 2007 when there was a sudden increase mainly due to the human who goes under the name of angelfruit making it public knowledge that you could ask your guardian angel to get slow drivers to turn off the road they are traveling on so as not to impede their progress.
The incident that finally forced Doris’s guardian to resign happened one Tuesday afternoon when Doris decided to visit her sister in the next town.
Doris started off down the road at her usually 30 mph (which is more than fast enough in her opinion) but hadn’t got far before she felt an irresistible urge to turn left at the next junction. The next thing she knew she had turned left. She stop the car turned round got back on the road she should have been on, but hadn’t got far before she found she had turned left again. She began to feel a bit confused but turned around and carried on. Some time later and after doing about half a dozen unplanned left turns she thought she had better turn around and go home as she was getting a bit frighten by now. But the same thing happened on the way home. Eventfully unable to take anymore Doris came to a dead stop on a one way street. She was found by a passer by gripping the steering wheel and staring vacantly out of the windscreen.
As soon as an ambulance had been called and Doris was on her way to hospital her guardian angel went straight to the Angel Resources Manager and resigned on the grounds that other guardian angels were bullying her by making Doris turn of the road so other humans go get to where they were going a bit faster. Doris’s guardian angel maintains that the increase in this type of insistence is do to angelfruit’s guardian angel who started the trend of moving slower drivers of the road. :ang12
The case continues tomorrow.
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Ok so I am being a bit silly but maybe if we have guardian angels we should be carefully what we ask them to do for us because what’s good us may cause problems for someone else.
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blueflower
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| Paul2007 wrote: | | I grew up as a Christian so I can understand many of the comments made here. I think there is no greater comfort than the truth. That's why they say, "the truth shall set you free". Invoking the supernatural may comfort you, and I respect you need for that warmth, but I think it is unlikely to be the truth. I'm pretty certain that the real truth will give us more comfort, make us feel safer, remove our ignorance and allow us to make better choices. |
Paul you say you grow up a Christian but your comment reads like that is now longer the case. I imagine that as your got older you began to question these beliefs and you now long believe in a supernatural God. I once read about a Methodist ministers son who had become an atheist and was say how it had set him free, Others condemned him for taking the easy way out. Living life as a Atheist is easier than following Christ. Would you agree with that?
I personally fond that the Christian life was very tricky and difficult. In may household practically everything was a sin and the constant threat of ending up in hell was always there.
I am still looking for the truth and looking at all points of view but I want there to be a God of love who will meet out Justice to truly evil people.
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angelfruit
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| blueflower wrote: |
:qx1 Extract from the Angel Times :qx1 |
:ang12 :ang12 :ang12 Aw shucks - we all have to be a little devil sometimes though! :ang12 :ang12 :ang12
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blueflower
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| angelfruit wrote: | | blueflower wrote: |
:qx1 Extract from the Angel Times :qx1 |
:ang12 :ang12 :ang12 Aw shucks - we all have to be a little devil sometimes though! :ang12 :ang12 :ang12 |
I agree with that and I'm going to try your little trick next time I am trying to get to work and find myself stuck behind a tractor or slow car. :D but not too often.......
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| blueflower wrote: |
Paul you say you grow up a Christian but your comment reads like that is now longer the case. I imagine that as your got older you began to question these beliefs and you now long believe in a supernatural God. I once read about a Methodist ministers son who had become an atheist and was say how it had set him free, Others condemned him for taking the easy way out. Living life as a Atheist is easier than following Christ. Would you agree with that?
I personally fond that the Christian life was very tricky and difficult. In may household practically everything was a sin and the constant threat of ending up in hell was always there.
I am still looking for the truth and looking at all points of view but I want there to be a God of love who will meet out Justice to truly evil people. |
While being totally fascinated by religion (now reading about Buddhism) and enormously respectful to the traditions, you are correct that I'm now an atheist. Actually, I'm not sure if I ever bought it, even when I was young confirmed Christian.
I'm not an agnostic either, I'm strongly atheistic due to the overwhelming exposure to empirical evidence refuting the theistic hypothesis from my scientific background. I feel very strongly about the scientific method, although I would never impose my beliefs on other people in the way evangelicalism does. If more people understood the genius and beauty of the scientific method, I'm convinced there would be less supernaturalism.
I disagree that atheism is easier, I think it is more difficult because you have to consume much more information and data in order to explain (to yourself) how the world works. Simply decrying "God done it" is surely the easier approach.
I feel for you blueflower because it sounds like the fear of hell has caused you to be "good". Surely, it is nobler to be morally-centric because you want to be, not because of threat from the great surveillance camera is the sky.
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I believe in the existence of angels and 'work' with them almost on a daily basis. I don't see it as a 'belief system' because, say for example, I'm afraid of there being no afterlife. I believe in angels/spirits because I have seen and heard them quite a few times, and no I wasn't at a low ebb at the time. I've always been able to pick up on them. I've also received physical messages from loved ones who have passed over which have made the hairs on the back of my neck stand on end :lol:
I do angel readings for friends and family all the time. And I meditate. Meditation promotes such wonderful feelings of wellbeing that it's very addictive. I recommend it to anyone; you feel so refreshed afterwards.
I also know we're all part of the Universe so if you really desire something, for example, send it out to the Universe and it will come to fruition (so long as you don't worry it won't happen). All sounds very bizarre if you're not a believer!! I've written a wish list of all the things I would like to happen to me and my family & friends and put it in a little wish trinket box bought in America. So far a lot of the things have come true, I believe because I trusted they would.
I could go on and on about this topic but I'm sure you're all thinking I'm a barmcake by now hehe.
But seriously if anyone would like an angel reading, let me know. although have to admit I'm probably better at them if I know the 'subject' personally.
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By the way, I was brought up as a strict Catholic and had the fear of hell drummed into me from an early age. But I never believed God was like that and often got into trouble for voicing doubt. :)
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Hecateh
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Snap to the catholic upbringing Glynis.
I believe too that what we put out we get back. To a large extent we make our own luck (good and bad) by what we expect to happen and if we don't feel we deserve good things in our life then we will definitely self sabotage to make sure we don't get them.
If we do nothing but complain and moan about the bad things without actually taking responsibility for our own part in it and working out what we are going to do about it then we have only ourselves to blame when things don't get better.
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mummymelly
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Glynis, would you be able to do me another angel reading when you get a chance please? What my angels would like me to know again? Only do it if you have time, I know you're a busy lady x
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angelfruit
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:( I wish they had something to tell me at the moment :(
Sorry guys - still pretty much confined to bed until scar improves. Speak to you all soon.
Love and hugs x
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dingsy
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Want to share an aspect of our holiday, which will fit in rather well here (I'll bore you all with doggy pics later).
As I've mentioned before, I often feel a comforting and protective presence in my life, and frequently joke, in a light hearted manner about my guardian angel looking after me.
We all know how bad the weather has been over the past few weeks. From 9th-23rd, we were holidaying in the Yorkshire Dales, a damp spot at the best of times! Anyhow, we managed to be out walking, about 8 miles daily, never once getting wet. The forecast always said that the weather would be changeable/heavy showers, but we're experienced and well enough equipped to feel confident enough to cope. We weren't tackling anything too challenging!
We would spend somewher between 4-6 hours out walking, watching the rain clouds and black skies from a distance, and frequently laughed at them not raining on us. Until that is, we arrived safely back at the car-and without fail, within minutes the skies opened, and the rain started. Had this only happened once, I would have counted our lucky stars, but this must have happened about 10 times.
I really don't know what to make of it-am I just being fanciful to interpret this as my guardian angel holding a rather large umberella over me?
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patweb
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That’s amazing Elaine. I think if you believe in something strongly enough you can fit it in to things happening around you. Seems a bit much of a coincidence for that to have happened to you so often, so yes you may indeed have a guardian angel. I think we could all do with one of them at some point in our lives. Maybe need to borrow her (or him) next time I go on holiday.
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dingsy
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Or you could just take me with you Pat-I'm sure he/she will help out my friends too!
It was uncanny though-and I have to admit to feeling a bit uneasy about it-not in a threatening way, but, "what's this about?" sort of feeling.
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Guest
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As a newcomer I am fascinated by your earlier posts...
Angels and the belief in Angels is a subject that fascinates me....I have seen the white fluffy feathers and always believe that an angel has passed over, even the possiblity that the feather could belong to a pigeon does not alter my belief...
A few years ago when very down in spirit following my father's death I was aware that someone stroked my head which was very comforting. Just recently when in need of some reassurance I was aware that 'someone' gave me the hug I needed...there was no one with me at the time these comfort measures were given...
As a small child growing up in a very RC home, I was taught that everyone has a guardian angel....I always imagined mine to be man in a long white coat ....I think he is always with me...
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angelfruit
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Hi Josie
Can you tell the order in which I am reading the threads tonight? LOL
It's great swelling the ranks of the angels - you can probably tell that I am a firm believer.
Don't recognise you from RISI - but then I don't tend to go on the forum on there anymore - too busy with all these others and feel more comfortable in a small B & B than a very busy, big hotel - if you get my meaning!
Speak to you soon
Dawn
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| angelfruit wrote: | Hi Josie
Can you tell the order in which I am reading the threads tonight? LOL
It's great swelling the ranks of the angels - you can probably tell that I am a firm believer.
Don't recognise you from RISI - but then I don't tend to go on the forum on there anymore - too busy with all these others and feel more comfortable in a small B & B than a very busy, big hotel - if you get my meaning!
Speak to you soon
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Hi Dawn,
I have been on RiSi for about 14 months but only active on the forum for about 10months....I spent far too much time there ...LOL! The idea of this small forum is very appealing, with such lovely people on board.
Josie x
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angelfruit
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Couldn't agree more Josie.
RISI is too big for little ol' me nowadays. I like the comfort that this place gives me. It's kind of like your safe place to fall.
Dawn
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| angelfruit wrote: | Couldn't agree more Josie.
RISI is too big for little ol' me nowadays. I like the comfort that this place gives me. It's kind of like your safe place to fall.
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It's nice to be able to spend time on two very different forums....
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dingsy
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| jobar wrote: |
Angels and the belief in Angels is a subject that fascinates me....I have seen the white fluffy feathers and always believe that an angel has passed over, even the possiblity that the feather could belong to a pigeon does not alter my belief... |
Still not too sure what to make of this, but am certainly receptive to the possibilty-and not simply because of my challenging situation at the moment.
Sat out and read for a while this morning. TWO white feathers fluttered into my lap(at different times). Cleaning the front porch-another feather drifted down.Just been out to feed the fish-and yet another feather arrived.
I looked around carefully, but couldn't see any angels (although I could "feel" my Mum, although that may have been wishful thinking). Couldn't see any angels-but couldn't see any pigeons either.Think my guardian angel is maybe passing a message on...
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Nannyp
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I hope that there is truth in this
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angelfruit
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I won't preach .... but I am utterly convinced. They come through for me too many times not to believe .... though the old lottery ticket angel hasn't shown herself yet.
Angel In My Pocket
I am a tiny angel
I'm smaller than your thumb:
I live in peoples pockets
That's where I have my fun.
I don't suppose you've seen me,
I'm too tiny to detect:
Though I'm with you all the time,
I doubt we've ever met.
Before I was an angel....
I was a fairy in a flower;
God, himself, hand-picked me,
& gave me angel power.
Now God has many angels
That He trains in angel pools:
We become His eyes, & ears, & hands
We become His special tools.
And because God is so busy,
With way too much to do;
He said that my assignment
Is to keep close watch on you.
When He tucked me in your Pocket
He blessed you with angel care;
then told me to never leave you,
& I vowed always to be there.
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I do believe that sometimes there is a a comforting presence in our life that can't simply be dismissed as an over active imagination. I always think of angels passing over whenever I see white feathers.....
It was a tradition in our hospice to wear a small angel in our lapels, it reminded us of patients gone from our care, and now watching over us from above.
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