NHS funding

dragonfly · Pioneer Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 1507 Location: Wales

I feel the same way dave. My friend and ger husband earn just under £100,000 k between them. They work very very hard for that money and trained hard.

But they are penalised... why should they pay more than me, they pay 40 percent tax which i think is unfair.
Why should they pay more tax, they should pay same percent as us. And i think that should stand in health care.

nobody should be penalised for high acheivements.

Sorry katie... i do disagree :( I dont see haveing a baby or not affects your health.

(hope you still wanna play scrabble with me) and why my tax money should pay for it.........

Hecateh · Foundation Stone Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 2006

I believe essential surgery should be free for everyone - and that includes opticians and dentist. and definitely includes surgery that leads to pain relief eg hip surgery.

I believe that certain ops that will improve quality of life should be available on the NHS but not as a right. The patient should be prepared to do their bit in terms of health. For example I wouldn't refuse surgery to someone who is a smoker, but a smoker whose illness was directly caused or exacerbated by smoking and who refuses to give up would not get my vote.

As you all know I had my tummy tuck and boob life on the NHS. I certainly saw that as a privilege and not a right - but wa not going to turn it down when offered. In view of seeing it as a privilege, it has certainly been a factor in my eating more healthily and taking more exercise. The NHS has invested in me it's up to me to ensure that investment pays. IE because of that surgery I will, barring unrelated illness, cost the NHS in the long run.

I do believe those in higher income brackets shoud pay a higher rate of tax because I believe we all have equal worth as people and that the amounts of money people earn are not related to how hard they work. I know there is a correlation but not a fair one by any means. No one will convince me that a tanker driver is worth more than a teacher. When high earners get pay rises they get a higher pay rise than a low earner.

2% of 100k is worth a lot more than 2% of 10k.

Paying for CD's is different - we make our own choices when deciding what to buy.

I can't agree with the student loan. The high earners that got their degrees in the past are paying nothing back yet they are taking money off young people who are still earning less than 20k per year.
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Davbro · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 5:15 pm Post subject:

dragonfly · Pioneer Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 1507 Location: Wales

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I do believe those in higher income brackets shoud pay a higher rate of tax because I believe we all have equal worth as people and that the amounts of money people earn are not related to how hard they work. I know there is a correlation but not a fair one by any means. No one will convince me that a tanker driver is worth more than a teacher. When high earners get pay rises they get a higher pay rise than a low earner.

2% of 100k is worth a lot more than 2% of 10k.

This is true... of course... which means if my friends hubby just paid 24 percent like all of us, he would be paying more... I dont see why he should pay 40%..... he is being penalised for his acheievements.. where as jonny benefits gets his rent paid, dental paid, council tax paid, water paid, free school dinners etc...
My friends hubby.. NOTHING FOR FREE..... so he gets less from his government even though he puts more in!!
He does pay into bupa etc through his company. But he shouldnt have to top up NHS if they bring that in. I mean, he gives more than most.

BTW.. I never would believe a tanker driver is worth more than a teacher. Every job is a necessary as another. I think they were spoilt brats by that protest, but it will happen more and more now because the company gave in... Maybe every teacher should strike for a week at a time.. then they'll get the pay they deserve.... and nurses and fireman.

katieqr · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:11 pm Post subject:

Sorry katie... i do disagree :( I dont see haveing a baby or not affects your health. (hope you still wanna play scrabble with me) and why my tax money should pay for it.........

sorry, sarah, not too sure what u mean?

(catch u on scrabble later.....)

dragonfly · Pioneer Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 1507 Location: Wales

I dont think that IVF counts as health care. I think its somthing of a privilage. Therefore should not be funded by the tax payer.!!!

(god i feel mean)

katieqr · Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:21 pm Post subject:

got u now! i imagine folk getting ivf must pay their taxes too.

everybody feels diff about these things and have their
own priorities.

Hecateh · Foundation Stone Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 2006

Hecateh · Foundation Stone Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 2006

Having different views is right and healthy and enables us to 'see' other ideas. So long as we don't resort to personal insults (which I'm sure we won't) it's great to share different angles on things.

We can all think we are right - none of us can know!!!

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dragonfly · Pioneer Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 1507 Location: Wales

Hecateh · Foundation Stone Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 2006

They did earn it true

But

Three Points

Who decides which 'jobs' get the highest saleries, are these always fair as to the amount of work, effort, training, responsibility?

How did they decide to be cleverer, or be born into a family where good education and or connections - or is that just luck - and if so does it make them a better person.

salaries are calculated in full knowledge of the proportion that is spent in tax. I do feel sorry for those just on the cusp of the 40% cut off as they see very little benefit for their extra income BUT in general, the higher wages can only be that high because so much of it goes back to the government in revenue.

OH and another one.

To get the revenue we need to run the country a certain amount has to be raised. If the weathy were not taxed at a higher rate then everyone else would have to pay more tax to make up. Therefore people who are struggling to make ends meet just couldn't. More people would be on the poverty line at the very least - there would be more ill health etc etc.

People on high incomes work very hard (in the main) I know. So do people on low incomes. There is already more than 10 years between the average life expectancy of someone on a high income compared to a low one. Some of this is accountable by life style choices but much of it is due to ineqauality of access to the best medical care and hood healthy food.

If inflation continues to rise the way it is, it will more seriously affect those living on low incomes than those on higher ones and on the highest - in terms of lifestyle there will be no affect.
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“You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses.”
- Ziggy
Made my 1000 miles walking in 8 months rather than the year of my target. Woo Hoo.

dragonfly · Pioneer Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 1507 Location: Wales

But they are effected by all this, as i said earlier about they get nothing off of for free.
Their mortgage has gone up too...
Their bills have gone up too...
Their still have to pay child care cost, council tax etc. Which is higher. Apart from NHS they got NOTHING for free, and prejudiced against because they have done well.

The reason they worked to become what they became if because it paid well.

This has effected them too, and they have noticed.

Mr and Mrs cant be bothered get all this stuff for free........ (I know theres genuine people on unemployment benefit etc.. but i know alot that are not genuine)....

I feel for this country to sort out its financial difficulties, its needs to scrap EVERYthing and start again... and start by getting people in work.. like giving them a job if they dont find one themselves etc.. they'll soon get off there asses and find a job they want. Not by taxing hughers earners a higher percentage and not by taxing inhertience etc..
Get the free loaders off the tax payers money.

Hecateh · Foundation Stone Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 2006

dragonfly · Pioneer Joined: 13 Feb 2007 Posts: 1507 Location: Wales

It is true to say that i do get frustrated when lower earners than me and dan get so much more government assitance that they can afford a few holidays holidays a year and better quality food and nites out than us.

My friends Liz and Mark, I would say have more job-related sacrifices than me. Drop anything and everything for work.. to scared to leave it because they cant afford to lower the income. MArk travels to and throw india, usa and leeds (i know leeds is so glamerous lol) spends one night a week at home!! Now he has a family he hates doing it.
Missing out on their kids grow up.

I might not be able to afford nice holidays or my dental treatment.. but if danni cries i pick her up and cuddle her better and i saw every milestone...............
We couldnt afford a top up system with the nhs....

Hecateh · Foundation Stone Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 2006

It does sound as though they are sacrificing a lot for their lifestyle. It is a choice they are making though - they can afford to change - they are at the moment choosing not too as they don't want to change their lifestyle. It would apear that you and yours are happier and more content regardless of the lower income.

So long as we have sufficient money to feed and shelter us money does not equate to happiness and in fact can raise the barrier that high that people are less happy wiht a higher income.

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“You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses.”
- Ziggy
Made my 1000 miles walking in 8 months rather than the year of my target. Woo Hoo.